[165.7s - 167.2s] Good afternoon.
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[169.0s - 169.8s] How y'all doing?
[170.0s - 176.0s] This is Tanda Seizue Shemoringa and this is RUT work here on the Black Liberation Media
[176.0s - 177.0s] Platform.
[177.0s - 187.0s] It is Tuesday, May 13th and on this particular Tuesday, we're coming at you again with the
[187.0s - 189.8s] fourth installment, I believe it's number four.
[191.0s - 199.3s] Anyway, it's the next installment of our series in conjunction with Cooperation Jackson, presenting
[199.3s - 206.9s] the build and fight formula with Kali Akuno, co-founder, co-director of Cooperation Jackson
[206.9s - 208.7s] based in Jackson, Mississippi.
[209.3s - 215.9s] This is the build and fight formula again coming to you on Tuesdays for the rest of the year, a radical
[215.9s - 218.8s] transformation for society.
[219.3s - 225.3s] This is the offering of Cooperation Jackson for activists, organizers, individuals who are
[225.3s - 233.2s] interested in what they can do to not only help free us, but to free the planet in order to save the planet.
[233.9s - 241.1s] So, because we have a lot of information to cover, I want to bring Kali Akuno up, but before we start talking to
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[276.3s - 278.6s] So Kali, I don't believe your mic is on.
[278.6s - 281.1s] Welcome to the show again.
[281.2s - 288.8s] Thank you again for putting together this series of shows detailing the building fight formula.
[289.0s - 289.4s] How you doing?
[289.8s - 291.2s] I'm doing good today.
[291.7s - 292.5s] Doing real good.
[293.4s - 297.1s] All right, so let's jump into it, shall we?
[297.2s - 299.5s] This is installment number four, I believe.
[300.1s - 300.5s] That's right.
[300.5s - 301.1s] Number four.
[302.5s - 313.6s] Today we are focusing on the need for worker, self-organization and self-management to get us where we ultimately want and need to go.
[313.9s - 316.5s] So that is going to be our focus today.
[317.6s - 329.8s] Let me say off the top, let me just offer some recognition to some critical figures who made some valuable contributions.
[329.8s - 334.0s] To my own personal political development.
[334.8s - 346.2s] And I think to the development of both the Black Liberation Movement and the organizing of the Broad multinational working class in this empire.
[346.9s - 355.5s] And that was brother Tim Schemmahorn, who passed, who was a leader of the real workers in New York City.
[355.5s - 366.8s] And matter of fact, he helped to under his stewardship, his leadership of the union led the last mass trans described strike that happened in New York City.
[367.8s - 383.3s] And he was a big supporter of cooperation Jackson and was always pushing us to kind of expand our practice in relating to the official kind of trade union movement, which we'll get into.
[383.3s - 406.3s] And he was always keen to kind of highlight both to us and to others that cooperatives of which, you know, we are more known for building that cooperatives are just one tool in the toolkit of the working class to employ, you know, to own and control the means of production and we'll be getting to that.
[406.3s - 415.2s] So I just want to, for the official record, you know, we, we forget too often are heroes and heroes. And so we want to lift them up.
[416.8s - 425.8s] Other being brother Salah D. Muhammad, with black workers for justice who also passed not too long ago.
[427.1s - 441.9s] You know, and it should be noted that, you know, both of these brothers or folks understand the history and the connection come out of a particular the black liberation movement and a tendency within that movement, which, you know, I myself,
[443.6s - 447.9s] by way of family tree, if you would come out of.
[448.6s - 451.8s] And that was the African people's part of the APP.
[451.8s - 472.7s] And so, you know, Salah Dean was instrumental in the black workers for justice which still exists operating in North Carolina and beyond, we're very instrumental, I think in raising the class consciousness of people like myself and I would say thousands of others who are trying to carry on this organizing work.
[472.7s - 490.4s] So I just wanted to give shout outs to those two brothers. So I missed gone but not forgotten. That's a critical piece. And then also just to give some depth to some folks who made some contributions to this particular piece in the here and now.
[491.4s - 501.1s] And that's a comrade of mine, leave call, who was working in the Iow the longshoremen.
[502.0s - 513.7s] Upon the West Coast, and to K. Doe Griffin, who works with teachers and adjunct professors up in New York City.
[515.6s - 543.5s] We have been working on papers and political positions for many, many years separately, you know, and called on them to both send some feedback on some on some old ideas and to get their sense of kind of where the what I'm a call your head me say this repeatedly official kind of trade union movement is in the United States at present.
[543.7s - 550.4s] And we're going into why I use that term a little bit later. But just to jump into it, a bit.
[552.2s - 558.3s] I want to encourage all of you who are watching or who may watch this in the near future.
[559.0s - 566.3s] We're not going to do a review today, but I just want to encourage everybody to go look at the first three episodes.
[566.9s - 580.1s] First was just kind of making the case the second one was about the critical need to start around building organic leaks links and solidarity to mutual aid and social reproductive and care work.
[580.3s - 595.7s] That was the first of the series the second was on the need around food sovereignty and we really focused that one in less so on the kind of the methods as we probably could have just given the limitation of time.
[595.7s - 609.7s] But more on how different communities could and should go about securing land so you can actually start engaging food production wherever you may be in the different ways, particularly here in the United States that can go about.
[610.4s - 618.7s] So go back and watch one two and three and spread the word I think that there are some useful tools and we're going to try to provide some again today.
[619.7s - 638.4s] Now, getting us started on this one. You know we call this this building fight formulas a scaffolding formula in that we want and need in order for this to really build the kind of social and political power is necessary to kind of transform the world.
[638.4s - 658.7s] So we need these to build upon each other. And so let me just start by saying, building on those first, you know, episodes two and three in the series that if you're engaged in mutual aid work and broad solidarity work in your community, you started to mobilize
[658.7s - 670.5s] some people and get them organized and starting to do the kind of necessary care work and other aspects of social reproduction that are needed to sustain an ongoing organized drive.
[671.7s - 684.3s] Critical thing and you mobilize and folks. The second piece is, you know, the we address the food sovereignty question on the backs of the mutual aid issue and the question because from doing that work.
[684.3s - 704.6s] Hopefully, we've done it in a manner where we may be that we have ascertained more of the concrete kind of caloric I food means that people in our community have we secured enough land we're engaged in collective production on a mass scale that we are both feeding those, you know, feeding
[704.6s - 724.5s] people what they need, making some aspects of their cost of living and expenses go down, improving their overall health by improving the diet is getting us out of this fast food process food over a kind of indulgence that we are basically forced into just given the nature
[724.5s - 737.5s] of our food and food networks and food production value chain and supply chains are captured by major corporations. You've gotten out of that. But in the course of where it leads to this gap for in the course of doing that.
[738.2s - 742.5s] You've largely organized people on a volunteer basis.
[743.5s - 750.2s] Because you can't really do anything like sell for market particularly around food production until you reach a particular level of scale.
[750.2s - 771.5s] But the real object for what we're trying to do is get to a place where we are engaging in these things for mutual exchange right labor, care work, exchange work, so that we can reduce overall cost of living and amplify, you know, the productive capacity that our little mother Earth brings to bear.
[771.5s - 781.9s] Now you've got people organizing in these in these fashions but the critical thing is, you aren't touching at this point, where they work.
[783.3s - 792.6s] Right to earn their living, given that most of us in this society, you know, roughly about 90%. And one form of fashion.
[793.6s - 811.0s] That is adults anyway have to work for a living right to earn some wages to earn some income to be able to pay into the system of exploitation was charges is rent which charges money for food for water for power.
[811.0s - 827.6s] Therefore, we have to now figure out how to organize folks to great to exert greater power where they work and I would argue, ultimately, how to control where they work.
[828.6s - 853.9s] And that is why we say in this particular dimension of the formula. It's about worker self organization and self management. So critical pieces as to what that means that means you're not being number one the self organization you're not relying on some outside force or government entity, or some charity organization to come in and
[853.9s - 871.9s] organize folks where you work. You're relying upon yourself and those who work at that place to do that organizing and to come up with the solutions that are necessary to exert power and ultimately to control the workplace and that's the working conditions, the wages, and
[871.9s - 881.7s] and even we'll get to what you do when you work like if you're producing certain items, I commodities for sale.
[882.9s - 889.5s] What types of things do you actually produce and why right and before folks think that this is somewhat absurd.
[891.9s - 904.7s] You know, I'll get to the point that there are places. This is where the coops side of coming with people will workers do make certain democratic conditions I eat within the confines of the market as it currently exists.
[904.7s - 928.9s] But one of the critical things that we are trying to aim to I just want to state it directly. Like one of the limitations of just doing cooperatives is that cooperatives can find better ways often to create better working conditions, oftentimes better wages, have, you know, better hours for workers to work at, and then they engage in the market but they don't change in and of
[928.9s - 947.2s] themselves. They don't change the market. We ultimately have to change the market and shifted so that is more responsive to human needs, rather than trying to fit a cycle of profitability and maximizing profits for a small group of property owners,
[975.8s - 977.2s] including the places that we work. So we're trying to get out of that.
[977.2s - 993.0s] So what are the things that we do to make our living better? Do we burden if you would these critical pieces of of where we need to go if we're going to have really any serious opportunity of transforming this society, because that is where the best majority
[993.0s - 1008.0s] of our, or given the nature of our capitalism has reorganized society that for us to make our living we have to make an earned wages, and then spend those wages to secure the goods in the products that we need what we want to change that.
[1009.0s - 1020.2s] But it starts with us changing us and being in control of that process. Now, we have an uphill battle to climb, particularly in a place like the United States.
[1021.3s - 1031.1s] And let's bring up Tandy a couple of graphics as to as to what type of challenges in the real we are confronting.
[1032.4s - 1049.2s] And while that's coming up, you know, we want to just we bring this up to just highlight that, you know, unions on a federal level have really only been kind of permissible and allowable.
[1050.2s - 1072.4s] Since 1935. Now there's exceptions to that rules and a number of different ways. But it was the National Labor Relations Act, or the Wagner Act of 1935, which allowed workers to form a body that could do collective bargaining form collective agreements and contracts.
[1072.4s - 1080.0s] So there's only 1935 where that really comes into play. And since that time, right.
[1081.4s - 1102.2s] Unions have tried to organize in the United States is different in different countries but today we're primarily going to deal with the United States have tried to organize, you know, the working class, primarily on a employment sector basis or employment base basis.
[1102.8s - 1121.1s] Or a trade basis, i.e. the trade union piece and the concentrate and build a membership and density around that. And that was a set of agreements that that the Wagner act kind of instructed that locked us into a framework that I'm going to say I was going to get to this later but I'll say it now.
[1121.6s - 1132.3s] Ultimately, in this day and age, we need to jettison we need to abandon we need to get rid of, because it's forming more of a limitation to our organization.
[1132.4s - 1142.6s] Abilities didn't is an enabling factor and we'll get into why a little bit later, but I want everybody to just you know take a good look at this map this from 2023.
[1171.2s - 1172.6s] And I deliberately chose one that did not.
[1174.6s - 1198.8s] Right, but physically, I their slash and burn is instrument where they particularly are just taking an axe to public sector workers and gutting those unions and we'll come back and talk about some of the deeper effects when we look at this but if you look at this you look at that the Hawaii,
[1198.8s - 1209.4s] which is one of the smallest states geographically in population why in the empire has the highest concentration of density.
[1210.3s - 1211.8s] And if you look there.
[1212.4s - 1226.0s] It only scratches 25% of the working class in Hawaii, which means that 75% are unorganized in an official capacity.
[1227.0s - 1234.4s] That is not leverages and does not constitute bargaining power, except for in small rare cases.
[1235.3s - 1254.2s] Where this often specialized work where workers have a degree of control and or a monopoly where they can kind of bring some demands to bear on their employers, because you know it takes them a while to train new electricians or new engineers.
[1257.5s - 1275.2s] New carriers to deal with the postal codes and things of that nature, you can't just, you know, pluck people into some of these jobs automatically and think they're going to be competent at doing they often take training and development right so that gives you a bit of leverage in
[1275.2s - 1277.7s] terms of negotiating kind of with your employer.
[1278.2s - 1300.5s] But as you can see, if you only doing 25% out of 100 you don't have much leverage, the 75% are actually going to limit the scale of what you can demand in terms of wages and other forms of compensation like healthcare or paternal maternal leave or childcare assistance those things wind up being very limited.
[1300.5s - 1314.4s] And if you look at this map it is not by accident that the places where the Republicans dominate the scene have the lowest concentration of union density.
[1315.2s - 1337.6s] That is not by accident is a long period of organization on behalf of the Republicans and their reactionary forces in those states, and even laws that they pass, you know, like the tab heart lead law which was passed in 1947, which which, you know, enable what we call the right to work regime that
[1337.6s - 1355.7s] enable states to kind of opt out of certain sections of the National Labor Relations Act, or conditioning in certain kind of ways to give more power to the states and therefore the employers and therefore the kind of you know historically the dominant elements of the way
[1355.7s - 1374.5s] the ruling class with the old plantation owners or old industrials, which is still fundamentally case. And if you look at the places that made state efforts to eliminate diversity equity and inclusion, it mirrors the same map.
[1374.5s - 1386.4s] So you're dealing with a systemic nature of waste racism and white domination in this society that we are trying to and have to work to undo.
[1387.2s - 1399.5s] So I want you to go to the next one, because I think it highlights a particular fact that we need to kind of continue with. And this is an important one so that top line.
[1400.5s - 1412.5s] Right. If you look at it is the total kind of density of union membership if you can buy year. So if you look at it the major spike.
[1413.5s - 1429.8s] And in the overall number of members of people in unions, it's fight between 1970 really the mid 1970s and 19 early 1980s and then it's been just on a steady decline since
[1431.5s - 1448.7s] the some of the last figures that I've looked at each successive year since 2019 has is organized labor has each year brings new catastrophic lows into the number of people who are in trade unions.
[1448.7s - 1462.6s] And if you look at the two bottom lines, what those track, right, the lighter color tracks organized forces in the private sector, right.
[1463.6s - 1478.1s] That would be in your today's, you know, Amazon or or Walmart, you know, the mega multinational corporations that that exists and work in the private sector.
[1479.1s - 1488.0s] That has been on a steady and rapid decline. And if you go through are in the public sector.
[1488.7s - 1496.3s] That has been a slow, but a somewhat steady increase in a kind of flattens out around 2020.
[1497.8s - 1521.1s] For a number of different factors the pandemic being one, but if you look at it as of just within the last, what three months, right February, March, April, just those in three months with the bullet in China shop kind of figures that Trump administration is done in terms of
[1521.1s - 1525.5s] getting federal employees, you would see a probably a mark drop.
[1526.7s - 1539.2s] And it's critical that in the private sector where most employment in the United States is kind of centered. Right. And just for the record, the United States.
[1539.2s - 1554.2s] And as much as the kind of capitalist propagandist want to talk about the private sector and the efficiency of the private sector and more things need to be within the private sector.
[1554.2s - 1569.3s] Almost all of these things are dependent in one form or fashion on government largest, I'm using their language, ie the tax base that me and you have to cough up every day every week every year.
[1569.3s - 1590.0s] In order to fund what should be public goods and services, which oftentimes go to these multinational corporations in the way of exclusive contracts or kickbacks, similar to what a lot of must is getting with his space X program with his, everything
[1590.0s - 1602.4s] I'm going to leave that alone but just we need to come to a particular point of understanding really how the US government in the US economy actually work and work to reinforce each other.
[1602.4s - 1613.3s] And why this this chair for this trade war that Trump is executing present such a challenge to the working class in particular and how much hurt.
[1613.3s - 1633.3s] It's, it's going to, to kind of a, you know, told it's going to be extracted on all of us. And why this building for a former, I think, comes at an opportune time of us setting ourselves in position to exploit the contradictions that these policies and practices kind of
[1634.3s - 1650.2s] force upon us to kind of take it more of our own hand to control the economic and social dynamics in our immediate communities into a federated sense, it didn't extract that that out to larger and larger kind of aggregates where we ultimately wind up controlling more
[1650.2s - 1661.5s] of the economy, but it depends on our ability to do this type of organizing. So if you go to the next one time I want to move just real quickly through a couple of these, we get to it.
[1662.3s - 1680.2s] And this kind of highlights some of the pieces that wanted folks to just really look at the, the, now this doesn't cover everything and it's broad sectors, but if you look at it, you know, the highest sector of union concentration right now.
[1680.2s - 1688.5s] Is in the public sector and if you notice there's a little asterisk by the end, you know, didn't get to see this form I will put it in the links.
[1689.0s - 1703.8s] But that asterisk notes that that includes police people, firemen, etc. Right in the public sector remind you those are public sector workers and that is why it is 33%.
[1703.8s - 1714.9s] Next are our teachers in our public schools 33.1%. So just slightly lower than the other one was around public safety, quote unquote.
[1715.5s - 1725.8s] And then the next highest is in utilities and most of those are also to a degree highly regulated if not controlled public utilities.
[1725.8s - 1737.4s] So the overwhelming part of the green is where the movement the official trade union movement is now very heavily concentrated in and around government employee.
[1738.6s - 1749.9s] And that is one of the reasons why Trump is taking the axe to to those because it's not like they are really saving any money, which is part of what their claim is.
[1750.9s - 1754.2s] It's not like they are finding any corruption.
[1755.6s - 1759.8s] And what they are calling corrupt are just things that they don't agree with.
[1760.4s - 1777.2s] I hope folks clear with that they don't agree with employing black people, they don't employ, they don't agree with the ploying Latinos, they don't agree with employing too many women, they do not agree with the ploying employing queer people.
[1777.2s - 1784.5s] And anybody who does employ them or somehow according to their logic engaged in corruption.
[1785.5s - 1787.3s] But the critical piece.
[1788.4s - 1798.1s] If you go to the next slide I want folks to really gather in on this union membership by sex and race.
[1800.7s - 1801.5s] Right?
[1803.2s - 1806.8s] The largest group of folks in this country
[1806.8s - 1812.2s] who are officially in the trade union movement
[1812.2s - 1813.9s] are black people.
[1816.2s - 1816.3s] Right?
[1817.5s - 1819.4s] And this is comparing two years.
[1819.9s - 1821.8s] And it is noting a drop, right?
[1822.6s - 1825.9s] In union dissidentity from the cuts that were being made
[1825.9s - 1827.9s] during the first Trump administration.
[1827.9s - 1832.3s] So in 2018, black union membership was 12.5
[1832.3s - 1835.3s] according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
[1835.8s - 1839.8s] In 2019, the close of that year, it was 11.2.
[1840.1s - 1842.1s] So a full point and some change down.
[1843.7s - 1845.7s] And then if you look at the next large
[1845.7s - 1847.8s] in terms of rising, right?
[1848.3s - 1852.8s] By race is white and then Latino,
[1853.2s - 1855.6s] i.e. Hispanic within this chart.
[1856.9s - 1858.9s] None of these are that high.
[1859.3s - 1863.6s] None of these are that good by terms of standards
[1863.6s - 1869.7s] of what workers can extol in terms of higher wages
[1869.7s - 1871.9s] and better working conditions from being part
[1871.9s - 1875.2s] of National Labor Relations Act,
[1875.6s - 1878.0s] recognize entities, i.e. these units.
[1879.4s - 1882.8s] And it's only gotten worse and it's got intentionally worse.
[1882.8s - 1885.5s] But one of the critical things, just wanna highlight
[1886.5s - 1889.2s] about this particular piece.
[1889.4s - 1891.0s] And you go back and you look and you compare
[1891.8s - 1895.8s] where folks are primarily employed.
[1896.4s - 1898.3s] I want everybody to understand
[1899.9s - 1903.1s] that a large part of the federal government workforce,
[1904.9s - 1907.0s] that is the area where black people,
[1907.0s - 1910.0s] particularly black women are most heavily concentrated.
[1910.6s - 1914.2s] So this is not a race neutral program
[1914.2s - 1915.6s] that is being executed.
[1916.3s - 1920.6s] It is being executed for very clear political,
[1920.9s - 1923.5s] kind of historic lines to attack certain communities
[1924.1s - 1926.3s] and their political affiliation,
[1926.4s - 1929.1s] knowing that the vast majority of black women
[1929.1s - 1933.3s] in this country are supporters of the Democratic Party,
[1933.4s - 1935.7s] i.e. the opposition to Trump.
[1936.2s - 1938.0s] So this is a concerted program
[1938.0s - 1940.4s] to destroy his opposition
[1940.4s - 1942.8s] and destroy the organized force
[1943.6s - 1946.8s] that might have some power and capacity
[1947.5s - 1948.9s] to challenge their program,
[1949.3s - 1951.0s] particularly in a systemic basis
[1951.0s - 1953.2s] by not complying with certain orders
[1953.8s - 1956.8s] or slowing the machine down in their execution.
[1958.3s - 1960.2s] They were very crafty and very smart
[1960.2s - 1963.1s] in going after these particular sectors.
[1963.5s - 1967.2s] And be mindful that the Republicans
[1967.2s - 1969.3s] and even some Democrats never wanted
[1969.3s - 1973.0s] public sector employees ever unionized to begin with.
[1973.3s - 1975.9s] And there was a fight and it took a while
[1976.6s - 1978.2s] for that to even be recognized.
[1979.1s - 1980.3s] And if you read it,
[1980.6s - 1983.9s] the National Labor Relations Act in its original form
[1983.9s - 1987.3s] did not include public sector workers.
[1987.4s - 1989.2s] It was just those in the quote unquote,
[1989.4s - 1990.4s] the private sector,
[1990.4s - 1992.7s] which was always minimal within the United States.
[1993.6s - 1997.4s] So showing these figures is kind of showing
[1998.1s - 2000.6s] in some respects just the cold reality
[2000.6s - 2003.2s] of what we have to deal with.
[2003.8s - 2008.3s] And the main argument I want to bring to bear
[2008.3s - 2010.3s] and want everybody to grapple with.
[2010.8s - 2012.5s] And to many who might listen to this
[2012.5s - 2014.3s] or in the trade unions,
[2014.4s - 2021.1s] it might sound somewhat anathema to the logic
[2021.1s - 2025.9s] by which the movement kind of runs through
[2025.9s - 2029.3s] and that we need to appeal to the legality
[2029.3s - 2030.3s] of what we're doing.
[2030.8s - 2035.1s] But we have to remember both the age in which we are in
[2035.1s - 2041.0s] and we are confronting fascism on a global scale,
[2041.2s - 2042.8s] not just in the United States
[2042.8s - 2049.1s] and we're confronting it because of the deep shortcomings
[2049.1s - 2051.0s] and contradictions of the capitalist system
[2051.0s - 2052.2s] on a global scale, right?
[2052.2s - 2054.1s] It's inability to reproduce itself
[2054.1s - 2058.5s] and to secure the kind of profit margins that it wants
[2058.5s - 2061.3s] and ultimately that it really needs in order to survive
[2061.8s - 2063.0s] and keep the machine going
[2063.0s - 2065.4s] that has been running short now for decades.
[2065.9s - 2069.1s] And when a capital can't produce,
[2069.7s - 2070.9s] how it wants to produce,
[2071.0s - 2074.4s] when it can't rule by force of persuasion,
[2074.6s - 2078.6s] it resorts to outright open coercion.
[2078.6s - 2081.2s] And that's what leads to them calling on the dogs
[2081.2s - 2084.4s] and that's the area in which we live now, right?
[2084.6s - 2085.9s] On a global scale.
[2086.6s - 2090.1s] And so we are going to have to really dig deep
[2090.1s - 2092.0s] as Tim would say into the toolkit
[2092.7s - 2096.8s] to figure out how we're going to fight back
[2097.3s - 2100.9s] against their political kind of machinations, if you would,
[2101.0s - 2102.4s] but also more importantly,
[2103.1s - 2105.1s] to engage in the broader dynamic
[2105.1s - 2108.6s] of where the system itself is running short
[2108.6s - 2110.9s] of meeting our fundamental needs.
[2112.3s - 2115.2s] And one of the critical things to note
[2116.1s - 2122.6s] that we should learn and must learn just as a class
[2124.0s - 2125.7s] coming from our recent experience
[2125.7s - 2128.7s] and I'm talking about the experience of the pandemic, right?
[2129.4s - 2133.3s] It is a problem when some critical items
[2134.0s - 2138.0s] are only produced in one or two countries
[2138.0s - 2141.0s] and those one or two countries are half the world away.
[2141.7s - 2146.0s] This is not China bashing by any stretch of the imagination.
[2146.6s - 2148.2s] I want folks to understand that,
[2148.3s - 2151.7s] but our little project cooperation Jackson
[2153.2s - 2156.5s] in the height of the pandemic in our community,
[2157.2s - 2158.8s] like in March and April,
[2159.0s - 2161.8s] when we first started feeling the real effects
[2162.4s - 2165.1s] of COVID-19 and we first started feeling those effects
[2165.7s - 2167.9s] with some of our members who were houseless,
[2168.5s - 2170.9s] just stopped showing up to our programs
[2170.9s - 2173.5s] and then later find out some weeks and months later
[2174.4s - 2177.8s] that due to inadequate sanitary conditions
[2177.8s - 2183.0s] due to the lack of personal protective PPE equipment
[2183.0s - 2184.9s] that they had, no masks, no gloves,
[2185.3s - 2190.8s] no hand sanitizer that they die from exposure to COVID-19
[2191.7s - 2194.9s] and our community, like most of yours,
[2195.3s - 2196.9s] and those of you in the United States anyway,
[2197.5s - 2199.7s] you remember beginning in April,
[2200.3s - 2202.6s] that started to be shortage of the,
[2202.7s - 2206.9s] was it the M90 masks, right?
[2207.5s - 2207.5s] 
[2207.9s - 2210.0s] M95 masks, why?
[2210.2s - 2213.6s] Because the vast majority of those are produced in China
[2214.4s - 2216.5s] and under the terms and conditions
[2216.5s - 2219.7s] to kind of halt the spread of the disease,
[2219.7s - 2221.7s] there were major initiatives,
[2222.0s - 2224.4s] largely agreed upon almost unanimously
[2224.4s - 2228.8s] by most governments of the world to suspend trade,
[2229.0s - 2232.4s] to suspend travel, so those ships just piled up
[2232.4s - 2235.4s] and but that meant that there was acute shortages
[2235.4s - 2237.1s] in communities such as ours,
[2237.5s - 2241.3s] you know, poor impoverished black working class communities
[2242.3s - 2243.8s] and folks were dying.
[2243.9s - 2247.7s] So we took it upon ourselves to start making masks
[2248.7s - 2252.0s] and wind up being in a capacity
[2252.0s - 2254.0s] to make a critical impact and saving,
[2254.8s - 2256.5s] you know, we'll never know the actual figures,
[2256.6s - 2259.4s] but the fact that we were able to give out thousands of masks
[2260.1s - 2261.6s] primarily to folks in our community,
[2261.7s - 2262.9s] particularly houseless folks,
[2263.5s - 2265.5s] we know we made a critical difference
[2265.5s - 2268.8s] in making an intervention just by the number of people
[2268.8s - 2271.7s] who did not die who were within our purview.
[2272.2s - 2275.4s] And so I'm highlighting this from a direct experience
[2275.9s - 2277.3s] on highlighting the need,
[2277.3s - 2278.9s] and this goes back to the community,
[2279.2s - 2280.9s] or goes to the community production piece,
[2281.0s - 2283.9s] which is our next one that was gonna do issue number five,
[2284.8s - 2287.4s] why we need to kind of read,
[2287.8s - 2290.3s] localize certain aspects of production
[2290.3s - 2293.5s] to not be dependent upon ultra-vernable
[2295.0s - 2297.7s] and over-extended, hyper-over-extended supply
[2297.7s - 2300.7s] and value change to meet our particular needs.
[2300.8s - 2303.9s] And let's understand, despite all the Trump being readered,
[2303.9s - 2306.3s] how those value chains got created
[2306.3s - 2312.9s] because he tells a story that the presidents before him
[2312.9s - 2317.4s] were stupid and that they allowed the United States
[2317.4s - 2321.1s] to be abused and to be exploited, et cetera.
[2323.0s - 2326.4s] Do not believe one word of that at all.
[2327.7s - 2330.5s] Please, anybody, particularly folks living in this,
[2331.0s - 2332.4s] because what happened was,
[2335.3s - 2338.1s] the corporations and the capitalists,
[2338.2s - 2339.7s] which run this economy,
[2340.6s - 2346.5s] decided to go to places like China or Vietnam,
[2348.5s - 2354.8s] you know, Taiwan or Mexico or Chile, Argentina,
[2355.3s - 2358.8s] because the labor costs were lower.
[2359.8s - 2362.9s] The environmental standards were lower,
[2363.8s - 2365.2s] or they didn't exist.
[2365.8s - 2370.3s] And so they found populations and or created situations
[2370.8s - 2373.8s] in various countries where they could better exploit
[2373.8s - 2378.4s] the labor that existed in these regions.
[2378.9s - 2380.8s] And they made these critical decisions,
[2380.8s - 2384.3s] beginning in the 1960s, to counter everything you saw
[2384.3s - 2387.0s] in those graphics and the curve in the upswing
[2387.0s - 2391.2s] of working class forces, getting better organized,
[2391.6s - 2393.4s] exerting more power, more influence,
[2393.9s - 2398.6s] and control to kind of inhibit or distort, if you would,
[2400.0s - 2403.4s] or shape the labor process, what got produced,
[2403.6s - 2405.6s] when, under what terms, under what conditions,
[2406.1s - 2407.9s] and then all that impacted profitability.
[2409.1s - 2412.4s] The capitalist system itself, Trump is making kind of
[2412.4s - 2416.3s] somewhat a deranged anti-capitalist argument
[2416.3s - 2418.3s] in what he's arguing.
[2418.6s - 2421.3s] It's an argument that is not fundamentally understanding
[2421.3s - 2423.3s] the overall relations of productions.
[2424.2s - 2428.0s] So Mafioso argument of just kind of extolling tribute
[2428.0s - 2430.4s] and extract, if you look at, in fact,
[2431.7s - 2433.5s] what he's doing right now in his trip
[2434.5s - 2439.3s] through Southwest Asia, in Saudi Arabia, in the Gulf States,
[2439.9s - 2443.4s] he's just extracting tribute, basically, right?
[2443.4s - 2447.3s] He even, he went there, he said to us all that he went there
[2447.3s - 2449.2s] because they were willing to pay.
[2450.5s - 2455.1s] And that was a condition of his foreign diplomacy,
[2455.4s - 2456.5s] and that they were willing to,
[2456.8s - 2458.3s] think in the case of Saudi Arabia,
[2458.4s - 2461.2s] buy a trillion dollars worth of U.S.
[2461.3s - 2466.3s] who was largely in the weapons arms trade,
[2467.7s - 2470.2s] which is one of the only areas where the United States,
[2470.2s - 2474.7s] probably that and their attainment are the only areas
[2474.7s - 2478.4s] where it kind of has a dominant kind of a positionality
[2479.1s - 2481.9s] within the overall productive relations
[2481.9s - 2484.2s] of productive cycles in the United States.
[2487.9s - 2493.3s] So not playing into the same rationality
[2493.3s - 2497.3s] or the same reasoning why he's trying to quote unquote,
[2497.3s - 2499.7s] bring production back to the United States.
[2499.7s - 2502.8s] Our logic and their logic, even though they may sound the same
[2502.8s - 2504.1s] on what folks to understand,
[2504.5s - 2505.7s] and why I went on this road,
[2506.2s - 2509.0s] that what the critical difference is.
[2509.7s - 2513.0s] We are trying to create a system wherein
[2513.5s - 2516.2s] the fundamental goods and services that we need
[2516.8s - 2519.5s] are not dependent upon a highly vulnerable
[2519.5s - 2522.0s] supply chains and value chains,
[2523.0s - 2528.6s] nor will they be contingent upon exploiting labor
[2528.6s - 2536.9s] in other countries under extremely severe conditions.
[2537.6s - 2539.7s] Knowing the other part of the story
[2539.7s - 2543.3s] about U.S. capital shipping their factories
[2544.2s - 2547.0s] over to China, Vietnam, Mexico, et cetera,
[2547.6s - 2552.1s] also had to do with them through the CIA
[2553.0s - 2556.4s] and other things, creating favorable regimes,
[2557.0s - 2560.7s] taking out the legitimate leftist governments,
[2561.0s - 2563.9s] if you want to call it the any nation state
[2563.9s - 2566.7s] of legitimate entity, but taking them out
[2567.9s - 2570.6s] and you can just look at the track record
[2570.6s - 2572.9s] of CIA interventions and assassinations
[2572.9s - 2576.5s] and regime change operations all over the world,
[2576.6s - 2580.5s] basically from the 1940s through the present.
[2581.5s - 2582.6s] It is deep, it's replete,
[2582.6s - 2584.9s] and covers almost every square inch of the planet.
[2586.4s - 2588.4s] That they created terms and conditions,
[2588.6s - 2591.3s] they created regimes which would basically subject
[2591.3s - 2594.8s] their workers to the most depraved,
[2594.9s - 2597.7s] depressed working standards and conditions.
[2597.9s - 2600.5s] It's not like folks chose to be cheap labor.
[2602.0s - 2605.6s] The conditions of capitalists through colonialism
[2605.6s - 2608.1s] and imperialism created these conditions
[2608.1s - 2609.7s] very intentionally and deliberately
[2609.7s - 2612.0s] and it's up to us to unchange that.
[2612.0s - 2616.1s] So we are making that argument,
[2617.5s - 2621.3s] number one, that in the here and now,
[2621.5s - 2625.6s] if we want to really advance and change the fortunes
[2625.6s - 2628.7s] of labor, that one of the critical things
[2628.7s - 2630.8s] in the United States that we have to do
[2631.5s - 2635.7s] is really organize outside of the narrow confines
[2636.4s - 2637.9s] of the National Labor Relations Act.
[2637.9s - 2641.9s] We need to jettison that and its logic entirely
[2641.9s - 2645.2s] and recognize the nature of the age that we are in
[2645.9s - 2649.4s] and what type of organization it requires, right?
[2649.5s - 2651.9s] Because it's not like capital,
[2652.7s - 2656.2s] these corporations are operating
[2656.2s - 2658.0s] within the confines of these law.
[2658.2s - 2659.9s] They've done everything within their power
[2661.1s - 2662.6s] to break the law, subvert the law,
[2662.6s - 2664.5s] and they have very successfully,
[2665.2s - 2669.1s] they've employed new forms of technology
[2669.1s - 2671.7s] to reorganize the entire productive process
[2672.3s - 2675.6s] that we at this point have to adapt to
[2675.6s - 2678.5s] and catch up with and create new forms of organization
[2678.5s - 2683.2s] that deals with how the productive process itself
[2683.2s - 2685.6s] is currently being run and operated.
[2686.3s - 2688.1s] And we don't just want to catch up,
[2688.4s - 2691.1s] we want to be ultimately in the driver's seat.
[2691.3s - 2692.8s] And so one of the critical things
[2693.5s - 2694.8s] that we want to bring together
[2696.0s - 2701.4s] is noting that we don't just want workers
[2701.4s - 2707.9s] to organize unions to just bargain
[2707.9s - 2710.2s] and barter for better conditions.
[2710.7s - 2712.1s] It's insufficient, folks.
[2712.9s - 2716.2s] We need to be thinking of how do we organize ourselves
[2716.2s - 2718.8s] in such a manner that ultimately,
[2720.1s - 2721.6s] we are trying to co-operatize
[2721.6s - 2724.6s] and socialize the entire productive process
[2724.6s - 2726.9s] starting with these particular enterprises
[2726.9s - 2729.7s] and turning them into worker-owned co-ops
[2729.7s - 2731.5s] that can then federate and change.
[2731.7s - 2732.9s] And that's a long way away.
[2733.0s - 2735.5s] We're speaking to kind of what would be.
[2737.4s - 2741.6s] But we have to recognize that the existing trade union
[2741.6s - 2743.8s] instruction is basically being destroyed,
[2744.9s - 2746.6s] although there were in a period
[2746.6s - 2749.8s] where there seems to be a small deal of revival,
[2749.8s - 2752.8s] but that revival at best is still only,
[2752.9s - 2756.2s] it's going to reach about in its current form
[2756.2s - 2760.5s] about 20 to 25% of the working class
[2760.5s - 2762.6s] that are in certain sectors that are being targeted
[2762.6s - 2764.2s] where folks think are organizing
[2764.9s - 2766.5s] or that can be organized.
[2767.0s - 2768.9s] So we have to go beyond that framework.
[2769.0s - 2772.3s] And we have to really look at organizing folks
[2773.1s - 2776.7s] on a new basis and organizing people
[2777.3s - 2779.4s] at the points of production where surplus value
[2779.4s - 2783.4s] is being made, but also at the various points of service,
[2784.2s - 2789.1s] where people are providing counseling
[2789.1s - 2792.1s] or healthcare work or aid work.
[2792.5s - 2794.3s] We have to go and to organize folks
[2794.3s - 2798.4s] in all of these different fashions in an hypocritical way
[2799.1s - 2803.7s] and organize them on a class-based basis,
[2803.8s - 2807.1s] not a sector-based basis, but a class-based basis.
[2807.8s - 2810.5s] This is not particularly what I'm arguing
[2810.5s - 2813.6s] when one folks to understand is not inherently new.
[2814.5s - 2818.2s] This is in the US history
[2818.2s - 2820.9s] and to an extent in global history,
[2822.9s - 2825.8s] aspects of what we're arguing for could be found
[2826.3s - 2828.0s] in the organizing kind of orientation
[2828.0s - 2831.0s] of the model of the industrial workers of the world,
[2831.1s - 2834.1s] the WAPIs, the IWW, and even before that,
[2834.3s - 2836.1s] in the United States at nights of labor,
[2836.1s - 2838.2s] a very class-based oriented,
[2838.5s - 2842.9s] not the kind of domper's specialized AFL, CIO,
[2843.8s - 2847.7s] which he was the president of, trade sector basis.
[2847.9s - 2849.3s] We have to move beyond that
[2850.0s - 2852.3s] if we're going to be able to be in a position
[2853.0s - 2856.7s] to really push capital and push the government
[2856.7s - 2858.7s] to go in a new direction.
[2859.3s - 2862.5s] And we want to argue, and we will perhaps
[2862.5s - 2864.7s] in some more detail we're running out of time now,
[2865.7s - 2869.7s] the need to start organizing on this basis,
[2869.7s - 2871.8s] starting with, again, that scaffolding.
[2871.9s - 2874.2s] So if we're doing the mutual aid work
[2874.2s - 2876.4s] and the food sovereignty work in our communities,
[2876.5s - 2878.9s] we started that level of organizing.
[2879.2s - 2882.2s] We want to organize in places where we live,
[2882.3s - 2883.4s] in a place like Jackson,
[2883.9s - 2887.5s] where we want to start by organizing all the,
[2887.7s - 2891.6s] everybody who has to earn a living to make a wage,
[2891.8s - 2894.3s] by making a wage, everybody within that.
[2894.7s - 2897.8s] Within one big union and create broad,
[2898.0s - 2899.6s] as a kind of a critical step,
[2900.0s - 2903.2s] create broad community-based union shops,
[2903.3s - 2908.2s] or organized shops that didn't collectively deal
[2909.8s - 2911.3s] with changing the terms and conditions
[2911.3s - 2913.2s] under which we labor and what we produce.
[2913.5s - 2918.0s] That is the critical model that we want to really put forward.
[2918.6s - 2920.4s] And the critical piece to this,
[2921.6s - 2923.0s] we would argue just in closing,
[2923.6s - 2928.4s] that we have to build the relationship in the here and now
[2928.4s - 2930.1s] to move on this in this direction,
[2930.4s - 2932.7s] where we're not just buying for better working conditions,
[2932.8s - 2937.3s] but trying to actually appropriate and then repurpose
[2937.3s - 2939.1s] such a socialized means of production
[2939.1s - 2942.1s] and getting those who are in the trade union movement
[2942.1s - 2944.1s] to work towards, like I said,
[2944.4s - 2945.4s] cooperatizing as the instance.
[2945.6s - 2947.4s] We have to form a partnership
[2947.4s - 2950.0s] that brings unions and co-op together.
[2950.0s - 2952.5s] We've been calling this our union co-op initiative.
[2953.3s - 2954.6s] It's been a major struggle,
[2954.9s - 2956.8s] but it's something we have to ultimately do
[2956.8s - 2959.4s] on a local level to get many of the trade unions
[2959.4s - 2960.7s] to kind of buy into it.
[2961.2s - 2963.7s] But it's a critical piece that we have to move
[2963.7s - 2966.5s] into the rearticulate the power
[2966.5s - 2967.9s] of the working class in this country.
[2968.1s - 2972.0s] And not view it as just kind of a small sector activity,
[2972.1s - 2975.9s] but a comprehensive activity that encompasses us all.
[2976.8s - 2978.1s] And for that to do that,
[2978.1s - 2981.1s] we'll be start and we'll share these tools.
[2981.3s - 2983.4s] We need to build class conscious cooperatives
[2983.4s - 2985.4s] as a critical base.
[2986.3s - 2988.3s] And we need to build class conscious unions
[2989.0s - 2991.6s] and have them work in a strategic framework.
[2992.5s - 2994.4s] First at the local level,
[2995.1s - 2997.7s] then at the county wide level.
[2997.7s - 3000.5s] And I'm going to abstain within the kind of a US framework
[3000.5s - 3003.0s] of logic, then at the state,
[3003.1s - 3005.7s] and then ultimately at a empire wide
[3005.7s - 3009.6s] or national wide level in building upon that piece.
[3010.2s - 3012.8s] This is the next critical piece in this scaffold
[3012.8s - 3015.1s] that we want to really highlight.
[3015.4s - 3018.1s] There's more details, which we will kind of outline
[3019.0s - 3020.7s] by sharing these tools and resources
[3020.7s - 3023.4s] and putting more resources up on our website
[3024.0s - 3025.9s] and social media in the coming days and weeks.
[3026.0s - 3028.7s] But just wanted to leave you all with this basic framework
[3028.7s - 3031.3s] as a starting point that we can build upon.
[3031.5s - 3033.9s] So I'll stop there, Tanya, and leave it open for questions.
[3039.9s - 3041.6s] Is this what you're talking about?
[3041.7s - 3042.3s] What's on the screen?
[3042.8s - 3043.4s] That's right.
[3044.2s - 3045.6s] Core element, right?
[3045.9s - 3046.8s] And there's two components.
[3046.9s - 3049.8s] There's the building class conscious cooperatives,
[3049.9s - 3052.4s] which we did some two years ago.
[3053.0s - 3056.4s] And even though we've been deeply involved
[3057.0s - 3061.1s] in our municipality, in our city, in our state,
[3061.8s - 3063.6s] and in the broader Southern region,
[3063.6s - 3066.2s] and in trying to make connections with various trade unions,
[3066.4s - 3068.1s] with varying degrees of success,
[3068.4s - 3072.1s] this has always been a core part of what we've articulated
[3072.1s - 3074.8s] is the building fight formula from the beginning.
[3075.4s - 3077.8s] And while you saw those who started in Mass Head,
[3078.2s - 3082.4s] while you saw one of the scenes of our May Day program.
[3083.1s - 3085.3s] And I just want to iterate to everybody.
[3086.0s - 3090.0s] It was not by accident that cooperation Jackson
[3090.0s - 3094.7s] was officially born on May Day 2014.
[3095.9s - 3097.0s] That was very intentional.
[3097.9s - 3099.9s] We've always had in mind that we want to bring
[3099.9s - 3105.1s] these two kind of fractured forms of organizing
[3105.1s - 3107.1s] amongst the working class together.
[3107.4s - 3110.5s] And to make it very clear that we've always viewed
[3110.5s - 3114.3s] our cooperative activity as just being a tool
[3114.3s - 3115.4s] within the two kids,
[3115.4s - 3119.8s] begin a barring from Brother Schemmahorn, from Tim,
[3120.8s - 3124.3s] that we always saw and aimed for us to be connected
[3124.3s - 3126.7s] on a broad class spaces.
[3126.8s - 3130.1s] But we started on our account in a place like Jackson
[3131.2s - 3133.1s] to organize sectors of the class,
[3133.5s - 3136.0s] which could not within the limited scope
[3136.0s - 3140.0s] of the economy as it exists and the lack of jobs.
[3140.1s - 3144.1s] We had to start where there are concrete needs
[3144.1s - 3149.4s] in our community to create the employment
[3150.3s - 3152.1s] that was needed and to create the conditions.
[3152.2s - 3154.0s] And we know these conditions exist
[3154.6s - 3158.1s] in almost every community that exists
[3158.1s - 3162.9s] within the United States because Jackson
[3162.9s - 3165.5s] and some other southern cities may be,
[3166.5s - 3168.9s] the problem may be more acute than say exists
[3168.9s - 3170.9s] in Los Angeles where you are telling
[3170.9s - 3173.5s] some other folks on the coastal cities
[3174.5s - 3176.8s] where the real unemployment around Jackson,
[3177.0s - 3179.6s] we would argue is probably around at any given day
[3179.6s - 3183.1s] somewhere between 30 and 50% far beyond
[3183.1s - 3186.3s] what the official labor statistics say
[3186.3s - 3189.6s] that it's only like seven or eight or 10 or 12
[3189.6s - 3191.6s] for black people, whatever the situation is.
[3192.0s - 3195.7s] We know how they even count those figures
[3195.7s - 3199.4s] is grossly inaccurate because they only count folks
[3199.4s - 3201.6s] who are continuing to search for work
[3202.9s - 3206.0s] and not those who just decided to kind of give up
[3206.6s - 3211.0s] or make their living through the underground economy,
[3211.0s - 3213.3s] which is growing and has been growing
[3213.3s - 3217.0s] basically since the 1960s in this country.
[3218.1s - 3220.2s] So that was an intentional piece
[3220.2s - 3223.1s] that we want to kind of anchor on and look hopefully
[3223.1s - 3225.1s] at us as kind of a living model.
[3225.6s - 3230.2s] But it's some work trying to work with the trade unions
[3230.2s - 3234.5s] in their leadership to kind of see some things
[3234.5s - 3235.9s] in a different manner.
[3236.5s - 3239.6s] And despite sometimes being rejected
[3239.6s - 3242.0s] or not taken seriously because our numbers
[3242.0s - 3243.8s] are not similar to their numbers
[3243.8s - 3246.3s] in terms of scope and scale of work,
[3246.8s - 3249.3s] it's a quest that we cannot quit on
[3249.9s - 3251.8s] because at the end of the day we need each other.
[3251.8s - 3256.5s] And we are very clear that the model
[3256.5s - 3259.4s] that we have been employed has increasingly
[3259.4s - 3260.7s] has diminished in return.
[3260.9s - 3262.7s] And so the trade union model,
[3262.8s - 3265.0s] we have to think beyond the bounds of that.
[3265.5s - 3268.0s] And that's why we're pushing very clearly,
[3268.2s - 3270.1s] despite all the kind of the dangers
[3270.1s - 3273.0s] and the threats that may come with acting people
[3273.0s - 3275.3s] to abandon the National Labor Relations Acts
[3275.3s - 3277.0s] and all the kind of protections
[3277.0s - 3280.9s] that it somewhat affords to recognize
[3280.9s - 3283.8s] that that act is now antiquated
[3284.6s - 3287.4s] and does not meet in any fundamental way
[3287.4s - 3290.0s] the needs of work, what the class ultimately
[3290.9s - 3295.2s] has to have to exercise and exert any power and survive.
[3295.7s - 3297.5s] And let me just say this one thing
[3297.5s - 3299.3s] because it leads into the next one.
[3299.5s - 3301.2s] Just to leave a tease.
[3301.3s - 3306.3s] We now live in an era where if,
[3310.3s - 3321.5s] if the tech lords can really get their mass computing program,
[3321.7s - 3323.3s] which they call AI, right?
[3323.4s - 3325.3s] They're mass computational programs
[3326.8s - 3331.8s] to actually do some independent calculations
[3333.2s - 3336.4s] that lend them into a direction of what we would call
[3336.4s - 3338.5s] kind of thinking, making autonomous decisions.
[3339.2s - 3343.1s] And then they will be able to employ robotics
[3343.8s - 3346.7s] and the other different forms of automation
[3346.7s - 3348.6s] and deeply already been employed
[3349.2s - 3353.7s] to do labor replacement on a mass scale.
[3354.0s - 3358.6s] So we're dealing with the threat on a generational basis
[3358.6s - 3364.5s] that workers on a whole may become obsolete
[3364.5s - 3366.4s] in the next 15 to 20 years.
[3367.0s - 3370.4s] That is if these folks are allowed to determine
[3372.4s - 3376.8s] what direction this technology heads
[3376.8s - 3378.3s] and at whose interests it serve.
[3379.0s - 3382.3s] And I'm not anti-tech, nor is our argument.
[3382.7s - 3385.3s] And that's why we were arguing for community production.
[3386.0s - 3389.2s] But we need to be in control of that process
[3390.1s - 3394.0s] and make sure that artificial intelligence,
[3394.1s - 3395.6s] I'm gonna use their language in this case,
[3396.2s - 3399.3s] that if artificial intelligence is actually created
[3399.3s - 3402.8s] and employed, that is created and employed
[3403.7s - 3405.8s] by the logic of the broad socialization
[3405.8s - 3411.5s] that humanity needs to enlighten the burden of our laborers
[3411.5s - 3414.1s] as opposed to maximizing profit.
[3415.3s - 3419.3s] But we have to basically seize control of this process
[3419.3s - 3422.9s] in order to ensure that it heads in that direction
[3423.5s - 3425.2s] and not in the direction that is presently headed.
[3425.3s - 3428.8s] So we got a mighty task ahead of us.
[3429.3s - 3433.9s] But if you take just the basic evidence series,
[3434.3s - 3437.7s] you'll see that I'm not playing in that it is urgent.
[3438.0s - 3442.3s] It is dire that we get ahead of this in real time
[3443.1s - 3448.1s] before they just start eliminating large swaps of humanity,
[3448.1s - 3451.5s] which we need to be fully cognizant of,
[3451.8s - 3455.3s] is actually a large part of their thinking,
[3455.4s - 3459.2s] particularly what some people call the PayPal mafia
[3459.2s - 3463.9s] or the South African Troygill Peter Till
[3463.9s - 3466.4s] and Elon Musk and I forget the other one's name,
[3467.0s - 3470.0s] who was in the PayPal mafia, they come from South Africa.
[3472.3s - 3476.2s] They are all serious about planning and executing
[3476.9s - 3478.7s] for extinction level events.
[3479.7s - 3482.7s] And going to Mars is not just some fantasy
[3482.7s - 3484.2s] or fabrication in theirs,
[3484.6s - 3486.9s] something they actively thinking and constructing.
[3487.6s - 3490.2s] And we have to elevate our collective thinking
[3490.2s - 3493.9s] in a manner that's not just about countering
[3494.8s - 3495.5s] what they are doing.
[3495.7s - 3497.6s] That's one dimension of what's happening.
[3497.8s - 3500.3s] But we also have to really figure out,
[3500.9s - 3504.2s] how do we regenerate the productive capacity
[3504.2s - 3507.1s] of this little planet that we are all, right?
[3507.4s - 3508.4s] Because we don't know,
[3508.7s - 3511.5s] this comes from my comrade, Leif in particular,
[3512.4s - 3515.5s] because we're not engaging deep regenerative practices
[3515.5s - 3518.5s] in capital fundamental in the last 500 years
[3518.5s - 3521.4s] has not oriented this way or allowed it,
[3521.4s - 3522.2s] it's just extraction.
[3522.8s - 3524.8s] Because we haven't kind of tried to extend
[3525.5s - 3526.6s] the development of the biomass.
[3526.8s - 3529.5s] We're not really sure what all the earth can produce,
[3529.5s - 3531.9s] but we know they can produce a bounty
[3531.9s - 3535.2s] if the things are in right relationship
[3535.7s - 3537.8s] to regenerate themselves in terms of the soils,
[3538.2s - 3541.7s] in terms of the capacities of the ocean.
[3542.6s - 3545.4s] This planet probably produce a lot, lot more,
[3545.5s - 3547.0s] but we have to create the system
[3547.0s - 3548.7s] and the relations that will allow that.
[3551.1s - 3553.6s] Let's go through some of these briefly.
[3554.6s - 3556.4s] Let's go through some of these remaining slides
[3556.4s - 3557.5s] you've got, Kelly, okay?
[3562.1s - 3564.7s] Yeah, we will just put up folks,
[3565.0s - 3570.2s] we are this latest set of pieces that we put,
[3570.3s - 3573.8s] as I mentioned, we did the class conscious kind of cooperatives
[3573.8s - 3576.9s] and what that entails back in 2023.
[3577.3s - 3579.2s] We just produced these,
[3581.0s - 3582.7s] these class conscious kind of unionism
[3582.7s - 3586.3s] of kind of arguing what that really fundamentally entails
[3586.3s - 3587.4s] and what we need to do,
[3587.4s - 3588.8s] because there's some critical things
[3588.8s - 3592.6s] we got to be mindful of and why we are articulating this, right?
[3593.3s - 3596.7s] So let me just go by one way of an example.
[3598.0s - 3599.9s] Some of the different trade
[3602.6s - 3607.9s] some of the comments from Sean Fane who is the president of the United Auto Workers.
[3608.8s - 3616.9s] You know they've offered some mixed messages I would say relative to Trump's tariffs.
[3617.5s - 3623.1s] Some similar arguments to ours around the need to kind of relocalize in production which I think
[3623.8s - 3633.1s] we we should kind of get behind to a degree but being in favor of the tariffs to accomplish that
[3633.9s - 3638.7s] in somehow kind of aligning yourself with some dimension of the goals of the Trump administration
[3639.5s - 3644.1s] we need to be very mindful and I think push back on some of the organized some of the
[3644.1s - 3648.6s] sectors of organized labor for endorsing because we need to be very clear.
[3651.1s - 3657.3s] Trump can make arguments about reindustrializing the United States but the capitalist class that
[3657.3s - 3664.5s] he's relying upon to execute that should investment in production be redirected in that way rest
[3664.5s - 3671.0s] assured that is going to be automated. So it's not like they will be work you know hiring tens of
[3671.0s - 3677.4s] thousands of new workers they'll be employing tens of thousands of new machines. So it's not
[3677.4s - 3684.8s] in the current case it would not be a boom for U.S. workers it would be kind of a net effect
[3684.8s - 3690.8s] because we have been one at the point of production new terms and conditions and so that's what we
[3690.8s - 3698.1s] need to and what this kind of articulating is in the form as you read it you know why anyone
[3698.1s - 3705.5s] thinking of forming a developing a trade union from scratch which there's a lot of young activists
[3705.5s - 3710.4s] which I applaud particularly the folks in the DSA the Democratic Socialists of America
[3710.9s - 3718.1s] are aiming at direction if these things are not really built on a solid anti-imperialist basis
[3718.1s - 3725.6s] on a solid anti-racist basis on a solid you know anti-sexist basis anti-homophobic basis
[3726.3s - 3734.1s] that we are just leaving the door for various mechanisms of the employers you know of the
[3734.1s - 3739.1s] capitalists to come in and divide the working class and determine you know who eats who doesn't eat
[3739.1s - 3744.8s] who get a job who doesn't get a job and under work conditions so the we have to be in clear
[3744.8s - 3750.3s] solidarity with each other on all the basis of the diversity of which the class exists which is
[3750.3s - 3758.3s] you know not only multiracial multinational it is profoundly replete with different languages
[3758.3s - 3764.0s] different religions different sexual orientations that we have to be very mindful about embracing
[3764.1s - 3771.2s] all of that in this diversity otherwise we're just kind of sowing our own defeat so this kind of
[3771.2s - 3776.9s] outlines some of the logic and reasoning behind that so that we could pull ourselves together
[3776.9s - 3786.3s] and fight as effectively as possible and not be both blindsided by you know jingoism and American
[3786.3s - 3792.5s] nationalism or other forms of nationalism that often we divide you know the class and I just
[3792.5s - 3798.9s] want to say for folks to be clear I'm not a class reductionist by any stretch of the imagination
[3799.5s - 3808.4s] be very mindful of that when listening to me and in fact I'm one who who often articulates you
[3808.4s - 3816.2s] know we need to do the most to highlight and extend you and accentuate the various kind of
[3816.2s - 3824.5s] cultural differences that exist not they don't inherently divide anything that's not the problem
[3825.4s - 3833.6s] we have to recognize that our different cultures reflected different ways by which all of our
[3833.6s - 3838.6s] peoples historically have come to try to organize themselves on this little planet that survive
[3838.6s - 3843.8s] and I'm a ball from a merry baraca on this one you know all of our cultures have democratic
[3843.8s - 3848.8s] elements and all of them have reactionary elements right but to strive towards a broad
[3848.8s - 3854.1s] universe to bring in all these elements together we're trying to incorporate the full richness
[3854.1s - 3860.9s] and the full depth of the human experience and human knowledge and bring that to the table and the
[3861.6s - 3866.9s] you know like every time you we you know a language dies and I think there's something like 50 of them
[3866.9s - 3874.3s] die a day now on our planet you're eliminating or we are collectively to a degree are eliminating
[3874.3s - 3880.9s] whole branches of human knowledge and accumulated experience to disappear knowledge that could
[3880.9s - 3885.6s] help us in new medical fields new science fields that just we are allowed to disappear
[3886.7s - 3893.9s] that we don't we need to to make sure we capture and incorporate to enhance what we know right
[3893.9s - 3899.6s] and to expand what we know and what we're capable of so that's a different orientation in a reduction
[3899.6s - 3905.7s] is one which I do not deploy you know we need to to highlight and learn from our broad diversity
[3905.7s - 3910.6s] I think that's the critical way in which we need to go and how we have to orient ourselves in this
[3910.6s - 3916.9s] particular work okay what is this slide talking about well this is the practices up yeah that one
[3916.9s - 3922.4s] you know just would offer again and we've been offering this basically as a short form summary
[3922.4s - 3926.7s] for folks who kind of want good birds out of view on some of the critical things
[3926.7s - 3934.6s] that can and we will argue should be done in this period to not only you know fight back successfully
[3934.6s - 3940.4s] in place put ourselves in new position but ultimately to kind of lay the seeds of creating
[3940.4s - 3946.5s] kind of a new society and the aim is for these things to work again in conjunction with each other
[3946.5s - 3952.0s] not just in our situation and we do that not that every single not that everybody you know
[3952.0s - 3958.3s] is going to become some new master at farming you know or or some new master in technology
[3958.8s - 3964.4s] but we need to be in relationship with folks who are mastering those skills and to be working in
[3964.4s - 3970.6s] broad democratic fronts and practices to insinuate that to change how we relate as I was going back
[3970.6s - 3975.4s] to beginning how do we relate to the market like in ultimately how do we we dictate it
[3975.4s - 3983.2s] so profit is not driving you know what we need to to exchange the goods and services we all need to
[3983.2s - 3989.9s] to kind of you know live and drive by but that but that the principles of equity are driving
[3991.7s - 3997.8s] that that's a critical piece of what we're trying to get at in kind of the summary of these practices
[3998.4s - 4003.1s] position as we call it we haven't done uh and probably probably just to be clear
[4003.1s - 4008.0s] the other side of the building fight format which we're going to get to basically starting I think
[4008.0s - 4017.3s] in October it just pays highlights some of the different things that once we got to a broad kind
[4017.3s - 4023.8s] of mass level what could be done to reshift and what ultimately have to be done to reshift society so
[4023.8s - 4029.6s] you know how and under what term the conditions might we be able to employ for instance like a
[4029.6s - 4038.4s] general strike right to then bring about situations where there's a actual dual power crisis that we
[4038.4s - 4043.2s] create that we determine and then what do we ultimately want to do about research you know
[4043.2s - 4047.8s] reshaping society I would argue that the contradictions that are that are being unleashed
[4047.8s - 4054.5s] uh particularly at accelerated pace by uh by trump and the the forces of maga
[4054.5s - 4060.3s] offer us a profound more opportunity if we get our act together uh uh then then just posing as a
[4060.3s - 4065.8s] threat now if we don't get organized uh then they constitute you know an existential threat
[4065.8s - 4073.6s] without question which they they clearly aim to do you know but they they their logic does not work
[4074.4s - 4079.9s] to serve their their own membership base if you want to call it that their own movement right
[4080.5s - 4087.8s] and you see kind of the the twist in the logic uh on on the one hand uh trump for instance
[4090.9s - 4096.8s] signed some new executive order uh that people are still trying to understand around
[4096.8s - 4103.9s] uh uh law and medical costs right and saying that they I think one section of it said that
[4104.5s - 4110.3s] the cost of the drug would would have to be the law so wherever uh it is known at some states
[4110.9s - 4114.8s] giving taxes and other things pay more for certain medicines than others so he's trying to
[4114.8s - 4124.5s] standardize that now that's to a to a degree kind of a backhand nod towards creating universal
[4124.5s - 4131.9s] health care uh so he's trying to appeal uh one sector of his base the working class
[4131.9s - 4138.1s] sector of his base to make certain things cheaper but that means alienating the folks who
[4138.1s - 4144.9s] occupy the dais with him uh when he did his inauguration right uh because medicine is one
[4144.9s - 4150.6s] of the most big you know big pharma uh is one of the profitable industries within the united
[4150.6s - 4155.8s] states not profitable on the side of production because as we are learning right now most folks
[4155.8s - 4161.0s] are learning right now most of your core medicines are produced in china but the patterns on those
[4161.0s - 4166.7s] medicines is where the profit is being made or who can produce what like I myself independent upon
[4166.7s - 4173.3s] a medicine where there there is no generic form of it given how the the patent and the license
[4173.3s - 4180.9s] of it is and if I didn't qualify for a particular discounted rate I'd have to pay like 800 dollars
[4181.9s - 4191.4s] for 30 pills per month right uh and so that is where they make their their uh profits and believe
[4191.4s - 4196.8s] me uh they fully intend to make their profits you know that's why obama care is structured in
[4196.8s - 4203.3s] a way that it is because the democrats did not want to really fight big pharma in the end
[4204.0s - 4210.2s] and kind of break their stranglehold over our health care and so you had this you know
[4211.7s - 4216.0s] forcing you know initially trying to force everybody into a market like you would have
[4216.9s - 4220.9s] everybody's forced to to to basically come in have car insurance and other forms of insurance
[4220.9s - 4225.3s] to try to force us into that and saying that the market would provide well we know now
[4225.3s - 4231.7s] uh uh the insurance companies from what some eight eight or twelve years of that existing now
[4232.6s - 4238.3s] that most in a lot of states like mississippi most of the big insurance just opt out so the
[4238.3s - 4244.1s] only thing that's really available to you is the government program or a more uh uh pricey
[4244.7s - 4249.4s] private sector one if you can afford it so it winds up meaning a good chunk of people in mississippi
[4249.4s - 4255.7s] are actually now uh fully going without health care despite some some bill that was allegedly
[4255.7s - 4265.7s] created to universalize it so you know they're uh both for these parties are the the logic don't
[4265.7s - 4271.6s] add up and just leads to more contradiction we have to intervene in in that contradiction and
[4271.6s - 4277.1s] exploit people to come up with uh our own autonomous solutions that's what this overall
[4277.1s - 4286.5s] argumentation in in uh the formula is trying to provide all right i'm not seeing a lot of questions
[4286.5s - 4290.9s] i'm seeing a lot of comments but not a lot of questions in the chat so
[4293.6s - 4300.4s] any other graphics you want me to get to or let's just call i just want to just just uh
[4300.4s - 4308.0s] um right now no other graphics everybody no no uh thank everybody for just kind of
[4308.0s - 4315.9s] attending uh be on the lookout uh for more documents you know highlighting our particular
[4315.9s - 4320.4s] argument around this and framework the first one that will be up on our website cooperation
[4320.4s - 4327.6s] jackson.org will be this uh you know what it what we are arguing that it takes to build class conscious
[4328.6s - 4333.8s] unions but then the other piece is how these two things come together and must come together
[4334.6s - 4342.4s] but i want to just lay the groundwork and ask folks to join us next on uh uh june 10th
[4344.0s - 4350.8s] for a deeper examination around community production i will do my best that will be
[4350.8s - 4357.4s] be different than this one to do my best uh to get someone i consider to be you know uh my teacher
[4357.4s - 4365.3s] around this that's brother blair evans uh to join us in the conversation to really break down uh uh
[4365.3s - 4373.5s] how the tools and techniques of digital fabrication will enable us to do community production uh at
[4373.5s - 4379.4s] scale uh will highlight some of the things that uh his organization insight focus is doing
[4380.1s - 4385.3s] up in idawild in in uh up in detroit and what we've been trying to like copy and learn from
[4385.3s - 4394.2s] and iterate on uh uh in jackson so be on the lookout uh uh for that and the deeper kind of argument
[4394.2s - 4400.8s] on how and why we can relocalize uh production and do it through this techniques in a way which
[4400.8s - 4408.1s] is ecologically sound and becoming more so as we become more uh uh self-conscious and self-aware
[4408.1s - 4414.8s] and self-directed uh in directing this uh uh process and guiding where the technology can go and
[4414.8s - 4421.5s] should go and while we're encouraging everybody who's you know within our insh ear shot uh uh to
[4421.5s - 4429.0s] take this up and start adopting in in your community uh to get ahead of it so we wind up determining
[4429.6s - 4436.2s] how these new kind of technologies and productive forces can be used uh and i want everybody i want
[4436.2s - 4443.7s] there's a book on uh uh neil gershwin failed i may get the title wrong right now but
[4443.7s - 4452.8s] how to produce almost anything uh look it up uh i believe it's out of print but you can find
[4453.5s - 4458.5s] it's still really accessible in a number of different stores check that out as prep for
[4458.5s - 4464.6s] our next session because a lot of what will be going on whether just me by myself or me and Blair
[4465.2s - 4470.3s] will be based upon our work that's a that's a book that he also contributed to and it does a good
[4471.6s - 4476.9s] argumentation laying out the basis of someone i just argued for so check that out and be on
[4476.9s - 4483.5s] the lookout and join us on the 10th and meanwhile just to tell everybody you know make sure to pass
[4483.5s - 4489.8s] on the word about the series tell your friends to watch the video to like and subscribe to our
[4489.8s - 4495.9s] different channels uh and we'll go from there anything you want to do to close out tondi i saw
[4495.9s - 4501.7s] one quick well one question you answered earlier in terms of police unions there's another question
[4501.7s - 4506.5s] of are you going to be at the uh national black radical organizing conference coming up in india
[4506.5s - 4515.8s] i will be there one of the okay reaction is you know one of the the principal organizing forces of
[4515.8s - 4521.0s] it uh we're going to be you know making our argument there we're going to be presenting a lot of
[4521.0s - 4527.1s] materials that you have here to the summary form uh pieces to be uh in the handouts and we'll be
[4527.1s - 4533.8s] making you know our argument uh in particular that i'll just stated here because i'm gonna stated there
[4534.6s - 4539.4s] you know we want to move as many of the folks who are going to come there to become adherents of
[4539.4s - 4545.5s] promoting and practicing and implementing this build and fight formula in their community this is
[4545.5s - 4551.9s] a concrete thing that we want to take and get people to employ and iterate and do so we'll be
[4551.9s - 4555.8s] laying some of this out there when we get the opportunity you know we'll be one of the plenary
[4555.8s - 4563.9s] and some of the breakout groups so be on the look for us there um yeah at the program and if you
[4563.9s - 4571.2s] haven't registered register quickly uh we are basically i think pretty much at capacity may
[4571.2s - 4577.3s] be taking people registered we only be taking people from indianapolis at this point
[4578.1s - 4584.3s] local folks uh but one of the pieces that we are talking about you know not everything will be
[4584.8s - 4591.8s] shared live uh it doesn't need to be uh but the the pieces where there will be you know some
[4591.8s - 4597.7s] recordings or a live stream uh i'm going to be on one of the committees to ensure that that takes
[4597.7s - 4606.4s] place um so we can reach as many people as possible last question i think it's obvious but
[4606.4s - 4611.9s] i'm going to give the person the floor beyond today's focus on organizing labor do you consider
[4611.9s - 4617.1s] the possibility of us stopping to support the democratic party which takes us for granted and
[4617.1s - 4628.1s] building our own independent political force? Yes uh i'll reiterate again and again and thank you for
[4628.1s - 4638.6s] that mario uh the democratic party is the graveyard of social movements nothing that we have articulated
[4638.6s - 4647.0s] in any form or fashion uh calls on folks to be uh involved or be dependent upon the democratic
[4647.0s - 4654.6s] party this law needs to be organized outside of that vehicle and if i had more time if we had more
[4654.6s - 4663.3s] time uh would have made more of an argument uh that you know the the principle within this framework
[4663.3s - 4669.3s] around working class self-organization and self-management means that also the working class
[4669.3s - 4678.0s] has to engage in its own political autonomous political uh uh pursuits and and leadership which
[4678.0s - 4683.6s] means forming our own political instruments not becoming adjuncts of the democratic party
[4683.6s - 4691.0s] uh which most you know of the trade unions basically since the 1930s have been and that is a dead end
[4691.7s - 4696.8s] i would argue from the beginning it's been kind of a dead end piece but we have to if we're if we're
[4696.8s - 4703.3s] being real and we always need to be we need to understand that we are still living with some
[4703.3s - 4709.4s] of the dynamics of how the democratic party for both parties but it was bipartisan but to understand
[4709.4s - 4715.9s] the democratic party's role in purging the left from the organized trade union movement particularly
[4715.9s - 4725.1s] in the 1940s and 50s in the macArthur era where they went as socialists and and and communist party
[4725.1s - 4730.9s] in particular the different troskis formations that were deep in organized labor and basically
[4730.9s - 4738.6s] liquidated them out of the cio the congress of industrial organizations if you're not up on
[4738.6s - 4744.5s] that history i would definitely advise you to to to get into it and even look at how you know
[4745.1s - 4753.0s] some of the history of how now uh the iow the wobblies were attacked in an earlier generation
[4753.9s - 4762.0s] by both parties in eliminated so if we're going to do this and we have to do this we're going to
[4762.0s - 4769.0s] have to do this through our own political instruments just make that fundamentally clear and you know
[4769.0s - 4776.5s] to understand that historically groups like iow w they own they they executed and built their own
[4776.5s - 4782.4s] political parties on a local level and even the cio on this early days many of its unions
[4783.3s - 4787.8s] the working class engaged in independent political activity so this is not new it just hasn't been
[4787.8s - 4793.8s] carried through a substance but this is an argument that we are going to have to make that a company
[4793.8s - 4799.1s] is our argument with the the established and official trade unions and why they need to break
[4799.8s - 4806.2s] and join in a broader organizing process so just be clear uh of what i'm advocating for and what
[4806.2s - 4813.1s] cooperation jackson is advocating for is something wholly outside of the democratic party uh uh
[4813.1s - 4820.5s] completely no dependence on it no reliance on it and uh as you noted you know uh it does everything
[4820.5s - 4825.8s] it can at the end of the day to subvert us and it spends more of its time actually destroying
[4825.8s - 4831.0s] its left flank than it does even now actually destroying its left flank than it then it does
[4832.0s - 4839.8s] fighting uh it's more uh authoritarian and and uh uh racist cousins in the republican party
[4839.8s - 4848.4s] let me so much so that i saw so early on on uh social media today uh that the young uh the young guy
[4849.6s - 4856.0s] i forget his name unfortunately but the young guy who uh just kind of won office in the dnc was
[4856.0s - 4860.7s] part of the school shootings uh a victim of one of the school shooters in florida
[4861.3s - 4865.8s] uh was was trying to reorganize trying to make an effort to reorganize the dnc and challenging
[4865.8s - 4872.2s] well the dnc basically is is uh uh up ending and overturning his election
[4873.2s - 4880.6s] because they are they will not allow the forces of the left from reformers to revolution and they
[4880.6s - 4887.7s] will not allow them enough space to dictate the policy of that party point blank it is a neoliberal
[4887.7s - 4895.4s] party uh and anybody who doesn't ascribe to that um uh you will be brought in but you won't be heard
[4895.4s - 4900.5s] you won't be given a voice and you definitely would not be allowed to organize on your own terms
[4903.0s - 4909.7s] kalia kuno of cooperation jackson thank you again for coming to black liberation media and to
[4909.7s - 4916.8s] root work to present this series thank you all for hanging with us for hanging in there watching
[4918.1s - 4926.2s] again if you have not done so please like share and subscribe there's a cash out going down on the
[4926.2s - 4932.8s] screen that's for uh supporting the work of cooperation jackson like share subscribe support
[4932.8s - 4940.6s] the work tell folks about the series and get organized the best way you can the best way you
[4940.6s - 4948.1s] know if you can come to indiana with folk come on down so that's all indiana is a gathering
[4948.1s - 4956.0s] point in this process right one of the many so like uh um part of it is being mindful just so
[4956.0s - 4963.3s] folks understand uh trying to build on uh the legacy and extend the legacy of what happened in
[4963.3s - 4972.6s] gary in the end uh in 1972 so kind of building on that not forgetting that uh but also not being
[4973.4s - 4980.3s] uh uh prison to how that effort was subverted by the democratic party and by the congressional
[4980.3s - 4988.4s] black caucus so there's you know the past uh we have to learn from from the past so that's why
[4988.4s - 4993.4s] bringing that up because there's some key lessons there of how the national black
[4993.4s - 5000.9s] independent political party which some of our folks created uh was subverted uh in that process
[5000.9s - 5006.6s] and undermined and left us with the with the boy that we still tried to feel and we aim to feel
[5006.6s - 5013.9s] it this time around with best we can all right y'all that's it for now thank you again and we
[5013.9s - 5017.4s] will catch you on the next one peace
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